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Chapo
post 14/03/2017 - 09:29:56 |   Post #1
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17b a une nouvelle fois été hacké avec mise en place de fichiers frauduleux sur notre serveur. Google m'en a averti par mail.

Pour l'instant j'ai supprimé une partie des fichiers incriminés et rechargé ma dernière sauvegarde "propre".

Cela fait 2 fois en 2 mois qu'un pirate s'introduit sur notre site. Il installe des fichiers permettant d'envoyer du spam. Cela doit l'amuser. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_nul.gif)

Je n'ai malheureusement pas les compétences ni le temps pour résoudre ce problème et les fondateurs historiques de 17b qui avaient ces compétences ne sont plus disponibles pour ça non plus.

J'en appelle donc aux bonnes volontés qui souhaiteraient d'une façon ou d'une autre aider EatingPizza à résoudre ce problème.

Je reste bien évidemment à la disposition d'EatingPizza pour lui donner tous les codes d'accès nécessaire au réglement du problème.

Pour moi s'en est fini et je vous confie mon bébé. Je vous demande juste d'en prendre soin. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

Nous avons passé de bons moments ensemble. Il est maintenant temps pour moi de tourner la page. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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Once again 17b has been hacked with setting up fraudulent files on our server. Google notified me by e-mail.

For now I deleted some of the offending files and reloaded my last "clean" backup.

It is 2 times in 2 months that a pirate is introduced on our site. It installs files to send spam. That must amuse him. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_nul.gif)

Unfortunately, I do not have the skills or the time to solve this problem and the historic founders of 17b who had these skills are no longer available for it either.

So I appeal to the good will who would somehow help EatingPizza to solve this problem.

I remain of course at the disposal of EatingPizza to give him all the access codes necessary to solve the problem.

For me it is finished and I entrust my "baby" to you. I just ask you to take care of it. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

We had a great time together. It is now time for me to turn the page. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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Igrik
post 14/03/2017 - 10:42:49 |   Post #2
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Teammate down! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/ac.gif)
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EatingPizza
post 14/03/2017 - 12:10:52 |   Post #3
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Chapo, I don't do anything to secure/operate/update/harden/develop the server. My involvement has always been financing.
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EatingPizza
post 14/03/2017 - 13:16:51 |   Post #4
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Update:. I just received an email from OVH (the 17b hosting company) they have blocked 17B from sending any email because of the spam. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post 14/03/2017 - 15:27:26 |   Post #5
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Really unpleasant these situations.

A nice Cloudflare against DDoS protection and a strong firewall to prevent some hacking spam situation, for example Centos 7 use a module called SELINUX, look about Mandatory Access Control to improve your HIPS (Host Based Intrusion Prevention System)
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EatingPizza
post 14/03/2017 - 15:42:44 |   Post #6
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The problem is bigger than a simple firewall or better security. Chapo sent me an email indicating he is done. S3B no longer does waypoints, Acidounet is no longer active, ....

I think it's time to let let 17B die. OVH have blocked all email, but the web remains and is paid until July 2017.
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post 14/03/2017 - 17:16:18 |   Post #7
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Pour une fois, je vais même prendre la peine de traduire mon post (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)

Que dire...

17B était ma maison, j'ai fait mon apparition vers 2007, il y a 10 ans, que de chemin parcouru !
Une aventure de jeu, de vie, à travers les gens croisés ici.

Tout n'était pas rose, mais on a fait de notre mieux, dans la bonne humeur.


Merci à Chapo, Eatingpizza, Benneb et les anciens de 17B avec qui ont aider à faire vivre (survivre) 17 Buddies.

Que faire, quand 17B est constamment attaqué ? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/siffle.gif)

Que faire, quand le quotidien change, tragiquement ? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_decu.gif)


Bref,

Le roi 17B est mort, vive le roi 17B !

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post 15/03/2017 - 02:36:55 |   Post #8
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QUOTE (EatingPizza @ 14/03/2017 - 15:42:44) *
The problem is bigger than a simple firewall or better security. Chapo sent me an email indicating he is done. S3B no longer does waypoints, Acidounet is no longer active, ....

I think it's time to let let 17B die. OVH have blocked all email, but the web remains and is paid until July 2017.


But 17buddies is 10x times more handy than gamebanana.
That would be an enormous loss for those who play those forgotten games such as CS 1.6, DOD.
Gamebanana lost his map database one time, 17buddies never.
Obviously so many maps will be lost.

Is there someone here that can do something ?

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Igrik
post 15/03/2017 - 15:56:51 |   Post #9
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I can't upload anything to 17B now.

Can't upload a map zip or a screenshot, Also I can't send anyone a message or create new forum topic.

I see upload progress dialog (sending in progress) but the progress never ends.
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EatingPizza
post 15/03/2017 - 23:46:44 |   Post #10
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Igirk: I don't know anything about what could cause that, but it's probably due to something before or after the hacking.


fr33m@n: It's complicated. There really is nobody that can take over 17B (as it is). 17B is very complicated, involving mysql tables, temp files, crontabs, php files, random tasks, multiple user accounts, email, html, css, and javascript, etc. The people who know how this stuff is put together have sadly left 17B. It gets worse too: There is over 1TB of data/files on 17B, and it's not easy to backup or migrate it somewhere else. Even if the data could be transferred, where does someone transfer 1TB to?


Edit: It's also important to say that this is the 3rd or 4th time that 17B has been hacked, and the only "fix" has been to restore 17B from a backup until the next time 17B is hacked. There is no good solution with keeping this version of 17B alive, it keeps getting hacked, and the people who know the 17B site configuration are sadly all gone.

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post 16/03/2017 - 14:23:05 |   Post #11
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Hi 17's Buddies Team, i use to live amazing games using this website as fountain of maps for my servers.
I would like to thanks all the team members who have work very hard on creating maintain and make this community alive.
Now for the futur of the website content i propose to ask others groups like gamebanana or others to see if there is something possible, like merge content, share community, share servers, or whanenver the admins can do to save the 17's buddies legacy.

Regards, a fan of the team.
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Chapo
post 16/03/2017 - 18:50:05 |   Post #12
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In order to "save" 17b, Eating Pizza just needs someone with knowledges in server security and management that can solve 17b vulnerabilities.

Then you will have to (help him) finance the server.

Once completed, 17b can live for many years without any of its founders. The code does not need to be updated and I can retire quietly.
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EatingPizza
post 16/03/2017 - 19:21:47 |   Post #13
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Chapo I have a lot of respect for you, but even you haven't been able to eliminate the hacks and you know the 17B site better than anyone. I've always said that I was just here to help fund the site. Now I have OVH accusing me of repeatedly sending spam because nobody is stopping the hacks, just restoring the the same code that gets hacked again and again and again.
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post 16/03/2017 - 20:26:29 |   Post #14
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If your after a web admin we can do as Foxi31 says and start posting adverts in game forums and social media sites. Its a long shot but it might be worth approaching valve about hosting.

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post 16/03/2017 - 20:31:18 |   Post #15
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Fucking bastard the hacker (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_angry.gif)
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Chapo
post 16/03/2017 - 23:18:27 |   Post #16
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QUOTE (EatingPizza @ 16/03/2017 - 19:21:47) *
Chapo I have a lot of respect for you, but even you haven't been able to eliminate the hacks and you know the 17B site better than anyone. I've always said that I was just here to help fund the site. Now I have OVH accusing me of repeatedly sending spam because nobody is stopping the hacks, just restoring the the same code that gets hacked again and again and again.


I don't think that vulnerability comes from code. Instead I think that The problem is a server problem. I can code hundred and hundred of php lines, but I have no idea how to secure a server.

For ten years, when security was supervised by Nosferatu we were never hacked. Since we changed of provider, security features we had before have not been reinstalled and somebody has seen that.

Of course it's not our responsibility. But I think it would be simple to solve problem. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ami.gif)
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EatingPizza
post 17/03/2017 - 00:37:50 |   Post #17
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 16/03/2017 - 23:18:27) *
Since we changed of provider, security features we had before have not been reinstalled and somebody has seen that.


The provider has not changed, it is still OVH. The server size was chosen by former 17B member(s) who then setup and configured the new server after I purchased it. It's been a struggle to identify who is responsible for maintaining the server, and I've always tried to remain on the sidelines, but now that you are leaving Chapo who is left to do the admin, fixes, and security? Who remains?
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post 17/03/2017 - 07:04:44 |   Post #18
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Simple: nobody
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post 17/03/2017 - 08:22:30 |   Post #19
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We simply need to find a new Chapo with better skills, new EatingPizza giving more money
and a new better world without idiots. It must be somewhere.
But we can never find an English-speaking S3B. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/mosking.gif)
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post 17/03/2017 - 20:56:33 |   Post #20
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QUOTE (EatingPizza @ 17/03/2017 - 00:37:50) *
The provider has not changed, it is still OVH. The server size was chosen by former 17B member(s) who then setup and configured the new server after I purchased it. It's been a struggle to identify who is responsible for maintaining the server, and I've always tried to remain on the sidelines, but now that you are leaving Chapo who is left to do the admin, fixes, and security? Who remains?

Just curious. This guy responsible for maintaining the server, what did he do? Did he installed some things related to security? Or nothing at all?

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post 17/03/2017 - 23:28:28 |   Post #21
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QUOTE (Arkshine @ 17/03/2017 - 20:56:33) *
Just curious. This guy responsible for maintaining the server, what did he do? Did he installed some things related to security? Or nothing at all?


No one seems to know.
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post 20/03/2017 - 10:45:03 |   Post #22
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QUOTE (EatingPizza @ 17/03/2017 - 23:28:28) *
No one seems to know.


If you have access, you can check if at least basic software are running like iptables/fail2ban/etc?

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post 28/03/2017 - 13:10:46 |   Post #23
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You can always backup all files with the help of other users - make a torrent from them and spread the link everywhere!

You can even encrypt the backup file if you want. If you do not have extra 1TB for encrypted copy you can probably encrypt it on the fly.
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QUOTE (Lanm @ 28/03/2017 - 13:10:46) *
You can always backup all files with the help of other users - make a torrent from them and spread the link everywhere!


Explain, in detail, please.
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post 05/04/2017 - 18:10:06 |   Post #25
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 14/03/2017 - 09:29:56) *
17b a une nouvelle fois été hacké avec mise en place de fichiers frauduleux sur notre serveur. Google m'en a averti par mail.

Pour l'instant j'ai supprimé une partie des fichiers incriminés et rechargé ma dernière sauvegarde "propre".

Cela fait 2 fois en 2 mois qu'un pirate s'introduit sur notre site. Il installe des fichiers permettant d'envoyer du spam. Cela doit l'amuser. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_nul.gif)

Je n'ai malheureusement pas les compétences ni le temps pour résoudre ce problème et les fondateurs historiques de 17b qui avaient ces compétences ne sont plus disponibles pour ça non plus.

J'en appelle donc aux bonnes volontés qui souhaiteraient d'une façon ou d'une autre aider EatingPizza à résoudre ce problème.

Je reste bien évidemment à la disposition d'EatingPizza pour lui donner tous les codes d'accès nécessaire au réglement du problème.

Pour moi s'en est fini et je vous confie mon bébé. Je vous demande juste d'en prendre soin. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

Nous avons passé de bons moments ensemble. Il est maintenant temps pour moi de tourner la page. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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Once again 17b has been hacked with setting up fraudulent files on our server. Google notified me by e-mail.

For now I deleted some of the offending files and reloaded my last "clean" backup.

It is 2 times in 2 months that a pirate is introduced on our site. It installs files to send spam. That must amuse him. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_nul.gif)

Unfortunately, I do not have the skills or the time to solve this problem and the historic founders of 17b who had these skills are no longer available for it either.

So I appeal to the good will who would somehow help EatingPizza to solve this problem.

I remain of course at the disposal of EatingPizza to give him all the access codes necessary to solve the problem.

For me it is finished and I entrust my "baby" to you. I just ask you to take care of it. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

We had a great time together. It is now time for me to turn the page. (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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post 05/04/2017 - 18:15:05 |   Post #26
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I am saddened to hear this. Here you all know me as phasetech, but some of you may know me as NeO|GoD|Triple X from DOD. I am site admin there. I am also an IT Support Specialist. If you need HTML help or maybe some temp storage somewhere please reach out to me at neogodx.com. I will definitely help if I can.
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post 07/04/2017 - 17:10:20 |   Post #27
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Don't worry,

17buddies will die, but your maps will be saved.

I have a safe backup of all maps, screens and wads on a remote drive.

They won't be lost. Your work won't be lost.

I don't know how, nor when, but I will provide them to prosperity. Perhaps will i give a link to gamebanana to download all ressources.

HLBox source code will be downloadable too. If someone want to go further.

Don't know yet how, but I promise i will save your work.

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post 08/04/2017 - 11:55:00 |   Post #28
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C'est un peu défaitiste comme discours chapo.

Si comme tu dit, c'est une faille de sécurité simple à regler, il faut commencer à mettre à jour iptables fail2ban et tout le tralala.
Et toujours garder linux à jour.
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post 08/04/2017 - 12:55:17 |   Post #29
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Peut-être simple à régler pour toi mais moi je ne sais pas faire. Moi je ne gère que la partie code et développement du site. La sécurité serveur ce n'est pas moi et celui qui s'en occupait n'est plus là depuis longtemps.

Au bout d'un moment j'en ai assez de remettre à neuf le site après qu'un gars y ait mis des fichiers sans que je sache comment. Il y a vraiment un sentiment d'impuissance qui me lasse.

Sans compter qu'en plus en Juillet il faudra recommencer à savoir comment on fait pour payer le serveur.

Donc au bout d'un moment, ça va bien. C'est bon. J'ai passé l'âge de ces conneries et il faut tourner la page.

Et là, grâce à ce connard de hacker, je la tourne sans regrets aucun (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_jap.gif)
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post 09/04/2017 - 14:07:48 |   Post #30
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Je relisais le topic Admin, pendant le transfert de l'année dernière... dire qu'il y a un hacker est une façon rapide de
répondre, il est clair que le transfert a merdé plein pot, que le site n'a jamais re-fonctionné comme sur le précédent serveur.

Voilà, il faut aussi l'admettre... ( le site wp n'a même pas supporter le transfert, j'avais du tout refaire ).

Et puis, pour hacker, faut soit une merde dans le code ( injection ) ou un accès Ftp, donc... c'est peu probable, sinon le soucis serait
survenu sur l'ancien serveur !

Sur le wp aussi, des fichiers apparaissaient, ou disparaissaient, dès le départ... de là à dire qu'un hacker est à l'oeuvre.

(IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/excl.gif) C'est trop répétitif et surtout, un hacker est tellement imbu de sa personne qu'il publierai un message en index pour dire qu'il nous a hacké !!!!

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Perhaps will i give a link to ga**ana to download all ressources


Quant à ça, bah perso je refuse que mes maps partent là-bas, il y a en 2 ou 3 suites aux merdouilles de droits, mais sinon c'est niet
( le mappeur n'aura même pas le contrôle sur son propre taf )
Pareil pour tout le taf ( maps, screens, wad, wp,... ) que j'aurai fourni, ici, bénévolement, pendant des années !


Je pense que je ne suis pas le seul qui ne veux pas que son travail se retrouve là-bas, et il faut le respecter.
Donc, à part faire un sondage pour le savoir, et dans le doute, il faut s'abstenir de balancer des fichiers ailleurs...


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post 10/04/2017 - 08:14:43 |   Post #31
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QUOTE (S3B @ 09/04/2017 - 14:07:48) *
dire qu'il y a un hacker est une façon rapide de répondre....
Et puis, pour hacker, faut soit une merde dans le code ( injection ) ou un accès Ftp, donc... c'est peu probable, sinon le soucis serait survenu sur l'ancien serveur !


T'as qu'à dire que j'affabule aussi... Je reçois tous les jours (et pas plus tard que ce matin) des mails de google m'indiquant la présence de contenu piraté sur notre site. Et un simple parcours de tous nos répertoires montre une ribambelle de fichiers qui n'ont rien à y faire.

Lors du transfert, des sécurités qui avaient été mises en place par Nosfe sur l'ancien serveur n'ont pas été remises et un gars s'en est aperçu et a profité de la faille.

Avant le changement de serveur, soit pendant plus de 10 ans, 17b n'a JAMAIS été hacké. Là depuis quelques mois c'est tous les quinze jours que je dois tout nettoyer.


QUOTE (S3B @ 09/04/2017 - 14:07:48) *
Sur le wp aussi, des fichiers apparaissaient, ou disparaissaient, dès le départ... de là à dire qu'un hacker est à l'oeuvre.


Et ça ne t'inquiète pas plus que ça de voir des fichiers inconnus débouler sur ton serveur sans savoir d'où ils viennent?


QUOTE (S3B @ 09/04/2017 - 14:07:48) *
C'est trop répétitif et surtout, un hacker est tellement imbu de sa personne qu'il publierai un message en index pour dire qu'il nous a hacké !!!!


Là on ne parle pas du gamin qui va hacker ton site pour se faire mousser. Le gars il n'en a rien a foutre de pavoiser. Là, il balance des mails à tout va et son code est fait pour que cela ne se remarque pas.

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Quant à ça, bah perso je refuse que mes maps partent là-bas, il y a en 2 ou 3 suites aux merdouilles de droits, mais sinon c'est niet ( le mappeur n'aura même pas le contrôle sur son propre taf )
Pareil pour tout le taf ( maps, screens, wad, wp,... ) que j'aurai fourni, ici, bénévolement, pendant des années !


Bah dépêche toi de supprimer tes maps d'ici alors, parce que quand je sauvegarderai je ne ferai pas le tri. Si tu préfères que tes maps disparaissent à tout jamais c'est ton droit.

En ce qui me concerne, le jour où le serveur tombera, je ne me résoudrai pas à faire un delete sur les milliers de maps et screens qui sont dessus. 17B est la mémoire de CS et du travail des mappeurs depuis des années. Il ne faut pas que ce travail disparaisse et le seul moyen de faire en sorte qu'il ne disparaisse pas est de le mettre à disposition des sites qui continuent d'exister.

Maintenant, les grandes idées sont une chose. Le concret en est une autre. Financez et installez un serveur sécurisé pour héberger les maps et je vous donnerai les accès pour transférer les maps.

Tu veux faire un sondage? Parfait. Fais ton sondage. A l'issue il va ressortir quoi? Deux ou trois mappers qui vont dire qu'ils refusent que leurs maps aillent chez GB ? Super... Et ?? on fait quoi après ?

Vous avez d'autres idées réalisables? Vous avez des idées que vous pouvez financer? Pas de souci, exposez les ici.


A un moment faut être réaliste.

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Alors, première chose, je poste pas pour qu'on s'embrouille (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) le ton monte, mais de ton côté seulement...

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T'as qu'à dire que j'affabule aussi...
Non, bien sûr que non ! ça veut dire que quelqu'un a un accès FTP... vous êtes combien à l'avoir (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Ou alors un script qui merde et qui créé des fichiers... et si c'est un hacker, il y a des traces de redirection, ou autre...
( Genre aussi les 400 connections permanentes sur le site, que j'avais signalé )


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Et ça ne t'inquiète pas plus que ça de voir des fichiers inconnus débouler sur ton serveur sans savoir d'où ils viennent?

Signalé aussi, à l'époque, on m'a tout simplement ignoré, ce que j'en dis...

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Là on ne parle pas du gamin qui va hacker ton site pour se faire mousser. Le gars il n'en a rien a foutre de pavoiser. Là, il balance des mails à tout va et son code est fait pour que cela ne se remarque pas.

Un hacker reste un hacker, il fait cela uniquement pour la gloire donc, dans notre cas, très peu de chance que ça vienne de l'extérieur, mais je peux me tromper.


Et quant au reste de ton post, dans le doute, tu ne peux pas distribuer des fichiers, comme ça, sans l'avis des propriétaires... il y a des licences de partout et aussi des gens qui ne veulent pas, même chose pour des mappeurs 'disparus', par défaut il faut leur consentement, et sans, tu ne peux pas. On parle alors donc de 95% des maps hébergées sur 17b, depuis la création des licenses...

Pour être 'réaliste', tu ne peux pas, sans être responsable, faire une redistribution de fichiers dont tu n'est pas l'auteur ni le propriétaire et dont tu détiens pas les droits...

(IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/excl.gif) Pour reprendre l'exemple de mes maps, ce n'est pas à moi de les enlever, mais à toi de ne pas les redistribuer.



Faut remettre les choses à leur place, désolé, et je t'invite à relire les posts Admin concernant la migration de l'année dernière (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Ca s'est hyper mal passé. Je n'ai jamais, pour ma part, récupéré un hébergement digne d'avant ( d'où ma location d'un autre serveur ) et sur 17b, ça n'a été qu'une suite de pb...



Pour conclure, le transfert s'est mal goupillé, et surtout mal réalisé ( je n'accuse ni toi ni Benneb, les 2 seuls, avec moi, à être encore ici ), par manque de volonté, donc on pouvais parier à plus de 50% ce qu'il se passe maintenant...cad la fin de 17b, que je déplore, je le répète !

il faut l'accepter, et accepter la perte totale des fichiers !!!
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Explain, in detail, please.


1) You make torrent from all files you want to backup.
2) You write an explanation about what files are for and ask people to keep the files for X days and seed.
3) Users which like your site and want to help download the files from you and seed it to other leechers.
4) When you get new storage you download the torrented files from seeders.
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Sous-entendre que le hacker serait un des nôtres... Si on enlève toi, benneb et moi, il ne reste plus que Acid et Nosfe... Là on touche le fond.

En tout cas, j'ai encore nettoyé le site aujourd'hui des fichiers vérolés qui y étaient implantés.

C'était la dernière fois. Le prochain coup (soit si on suit la logique des choses environ dans une quinzaine de jours), je verrai ce que je fais, mais il est fort probable que je vire tout 17b pour n'y laisser que les fichiers de maps à libre disposition de tous.

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1) You make torrent from all files you want to backup.
2) You write an explanation about what files are for and ask people to keep the files for X days and seed.
3) Users which like your site and want to help download the files from you and seed it to other leechers.
4) When you get new storage you download the torrented files from seeders.



Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...
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Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...



https://archive.org

I`ve seen 30 - 40 GB archives on archive.org, But 387 Gb is far to large I think you would need to split them by game and maybe even alphabetically.

If you want I can contact valve and see if they are interested, its a long shot but worth a try.
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Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...


I know that it sounds strange but:
1) Torrent clients are diversifying seeding i.e. ideally torrent client would upload 387 GB of data and then downloaded data will be redistributed by seeders, each will be distributing own downloaded chunk. You are basically uploading it, there is no difference: you can even limit number of connections and bandwidth and then you stop if you uploaded 400GB for example and check if everybody got a copy few days later and if there are holes in availability you seed some time again.
2) There are lots of people with big HDDs. I personally have 1 empty 1TB drive.
3) There are better compression methods likeLZMA2, Bzip2 (both available in 7zip).

Given how much feedback you have seen from people wanting to help you will easily replicate archive multiple times on seedboxes.

I can download 387GB in 57 hours through 15Mbit/s connection.

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Sous-entendre que le hacker serait un des nôtres... Si on enlève toi, benneb et moi, il ne reste plus que Acid et Nosfe... Là on touche le fond.


Bah, pour commencer, moi je n'ai pas accès au Ftp... et puis je n'incrimine personne, je dis qu'il y a quelqu'un qui AURAIT l'accès Ftp, en cas de Hack,et c'est peu probable.

Perso, je penses plus à un script qui merde et qui créerait ces fichiers... et je n'ai jamais reçu de mail venant de 17b, donc ou vont ces mails qui sont classés en Spam par Ovh...

La 2eme possibilité est une faille dans le code ( php, js ou autre, et là, un hacker s'y insère )

Le fait que ça ait l'air 'automatique', ou 'systématique' fait plus penser à un bug ( juste un de plus ) qu'à un hack ( surtout que le gars ne se manifeste pas, rien à gagner, ni argent ni gloire, et ça c'est quasi une preuve qu'un hacker n'est pas à l'oeuvre, ils ne font jamais les choses pour rien )

Il y a un loup, là !

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En tout cas, j'ai encore nettoyé le site aujourd'hui des fichiers vérolés qui y étaient implantés.


Et c'est quoi, ces fichiers ?

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Up! pas de réponse au post précédent... (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_decu.gif)
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...fait plus penser à un bug ( juste un de plus )...



Tu veux vraiment une réponse sur ça ?
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post 18/04/2017 - 09:09:26 |   Post #42
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Bah, comme il y a eu plus d'un problème, et ce, depuis un an, oui, il faut envisager un bug...

J'ai constaté des 'petits détails', des 'petits changements', 'bugs' ou autres 'soucis'... par rapport à l'autre hébergement.


Je comprends pas ton énervement...

Et ça ne réponds pas à mes questions.... quels genres de fichiers vérolés, et ou vont les spams ?
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On sait bien qu'il y a eu des soucis lors du transfert de serveur. Chacun a fait ce qu'il était en mesure de faire avec les moyens qu'il avait.

Le FTP je le connais par coeur car ça fait plus de 13 ans que je le pratique et y place des fichiers. Quand il y a un fichier qui se trouve dessus et qui n'a rien à y faire, je sais encore le reconnaître. Et un fichier qui renomme mes fichiers existants, encode son propre code, rendant difficile voire impossible sa lecture, s'insère en tête de certains fichiers, je sais aussi que c'est un fichier malicieux. Donc si je te dis qu'il y a des fichiers sur notre serveur implantés par un inconnu c'est qu'il y en a.

OVH a bloqué l'envoi de mails depuis notre serveur car ils ont détecté plusieurs envois de spams en masse. J'imagine que eux aussi ne savent pas de quoi ils parlent ?

Dis toi bien que le hacker n'en a rien à foutre de toi et des autres membres de 17buddies. Ce n'est pas ton adresse mail qui est visée. Là on est à une bien plus grande échelle. Il se sert de notre serveur comme d'un tremplin pour réaliser d'autres actions sans être repéré et il est bien évident que moins il se fera voir, mieux il se portera. Il est d'ailleurs pas exclus que cela serve à des organisations terroristes ou au grand banditisme. On ne sait pas mais ça pourrait.

Lorsque Google m'a averti que des fichiers frauduleux étaient implantés sur nos pages cela faisait plus de 2 mois qu'ils étaient dessus et qu'ils faisaient on ne sait quoi et pourtant personne ne l'avait remarqué.

Donc désolé de contredire ta théorie du hacker boutonneux qui va fanfaronner devant ses copains de classe mais là on joue pas dans la même cour.

17b a fonctionné pendant 13 ans, en autorisant l'upload de milliers de fichiers sur le site, en redistribuant des centaines de Gigas de datas à des milliers de membres sans qu'il y ait de problème majeur pendant ces 13 années.

Maintenant, venir dire (ou du moins laisser sous entendre) que le site est bourré de bugs, que le hacker est en fait un des admins, que ce hack n'en est pas un et que j'ai des lubies,...oui, cela m'énerve.

Rien de plus à ajouter. Affaire classée pour moi.

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Ok

Donc 17B, c'est fini... pas la peine de chercher quelqu'un qui mettrait le nez dans ton code... il n'y aura personne.

Et faire des suppositions, ce n'est pas ''(ou du moins laisser sous entendre)'', c'est juste essayer de comprendre et essayer d'avancer !


Quelqu'un a un accès Ftp, ou a, du moins, accès au serveur... sinon pas moyen d'y ajouter un fichier.
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Et quelqu'un qui a accès à un serveur pour y déposer des fichiers sans y être autorisé, ça s'appelle comment ?
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Et quelqu'un qui a accès à un serveur pour y déposer des fichiers sans y être autorisé, ça s'appelle comment ?


Un bug, une faille, une faute, ou peut-être un hacker... bref les causes peuvent être multiples !


J'ai aussi, pour ma part, assez signalé les
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J'ai constaté des 'petits détails', des 'petits changements', 'bugs' ou autres 'soucis'... par rapport à l'autre hébergement.
sans que personne n'y prête attention, voire, m'ignore.

Donc , dire que
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cela faisait plus de 2 mois qu'ils étaient dessus et qu'ils faisaient on ne sait quoi et pourtant personne ne l'avait remarqué.

c'est juste un peu gros, sachant que je n'ai pas accès Ftp et donc je ne peux pas surveiller...

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On sait bien qu'il y a eu des soucis lors du transfert de serveur. Chacun a fait ce qu'il était en mesure de faire avec les moyens qu'il avait.

Bah ué, le soucis, vient de là, à la base... (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_cry.gif) et j'ai assez râlé, à l'époque, suffit d'aller voir le topic (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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Accessoirement tu peux rigoler tant que tu veux sur la notion de grand banditisme. Moi ça vient de me coûter plus de 4000 € avec le piratage d'un autocommutateur par le biais d'un hacker qui utilisait un serveur de manière frauduleuse (comme dans notre cas) pour passer des millions d'appels vers des pays d'extrème orient.

L'enquete de police a déterminé qu'il s'agit d'un réseau très bien organisé qui envoie des datas cryptées sur des serveurs étrangers. On ne m'en a pas dit plus que cela. Mais moi je sais qu'il a fallu que j'indemnise mon client à hauteur de 4000 € pour ne pas lui avoir dit qu'il fallait qu'il change les mots de passe par défaut.

Et son cas n'est pas unique. Pour preuve ici:

https://www.undernews.fr/hacking-hacktivism...lephonique.html

Là c'est un peu différent car il s'agit d'arnaque aux appels surtaxés mais le principe reste le même.

Bref, rigoles tant que tu veux mais quand tu seras sorti de ton monde de bisounours où tous les hackers sont des ados prépubères boutonneux et quand tu arrêteras de jouer ton Calimero à toujours te plaindre et dire que c'est de la faute des autres nous pourrons discuter calmement entre adultes responsables.
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rhoo bah arrête de me jeter des exemples à la figure... je ne rigole pas, et je ne dis pas que tu racontes des conneries...

Dans les faits et actes, on peut dire que :

1/ Le site/serveur plante depuis le début, avec une fréquence plus élevée maintenant... et ça commencer à planter sur l'ancien, de souvenir, j'ai pas mal envoyé de sms, à l'époque

2/ j'ai passé mon temps, puis arrété, car ignoré, à dire qu'il y avait des trucs bizarres sur le site...

Ca, ce sont des faits, cf mes posts, mes Mp et aussi les dizaines de Sms envoyés, sur les 2-3 années passées...

J'aime pas ta façon de me répondre, tu me connais et sais comment je poste, donc arrête de tout interpréter de la mauvaise façon.


Ca n'avance à rien ! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

Et qd je dis bug, ça veut aussi dire que ça n'est pas irréversible et que ça peut être corrigé (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) d'où mon insistance !

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nous pourrons discuter calmement entre adultes responsables.

Il faudrait, pour cela, que tu sois un peu moins imperméable aux suggestions faites, et ne pas tout interpréter en négatif...

Ce que j'en dis... si je perds mon temps, dis le et je me casse (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_kimouss.gif)


Ps: rien que dans ce topic, il y a eu des gens qui proposent leur aide... donc il est pas trop tard pour agir !
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Je ne vois aucune suggestion dans ce post et aucune aide sérieuse proposée.

J'ai une seule personne qui m'a contacté en privé pour essayer de jeter un oeil aux logs et paramétrage du serveur, ce qu'il est en train de faire actuellement.

Une seule personne....

De toute façon, ne rêvez pas: même si le hacker semble avoir changé de terrain de jeu, de toute façon c'est faute de moyens que 17b s'arrêtera en Juillet.

Donc au bout d'un moment, il faut être lucide et passer à autre chose, donc oui je te le dis: tu perds ton temps, tout comme moi (sauf que moi j'ai décidé de ne plus le perdre).

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J'ai une seule personne qui m'a contacté en privé pour essayer de jeter un oeil aux logs et paramétrage du serveur, ce qu'il est en train de faire actuellement.

Une seule personne....

Ah bah faut aller la chercher l'info (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Une seule personne...
a suffit à faire vivre 17b jusqu'ici (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/siffle.gif)


Qui te dis que ça ne vas continuer ? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)

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Comprends pas...Mais c'est pas grave.
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bah malgré les multiples posts, tu ne dis pas que quelqu'un va ( peut être ) dépatouillé le problème, ou du moins, y regarde de plus près...

Et une seule personne a suffit a sauver 17b ( Eatingpizza) donc rien n'est perdu (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) car depuis le début de ce sujet, tu es pessimiste et défaitiste
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Ni pessimiste, ni défaitiste: Juste réaliste. Noël est passé depuis longtemps.

On va peut-être sortir d'un problème (hacking) pour sûrement entrer dans un autre (financement).
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post 22/04/2017 - 12:21:07 |   Post #54
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Deux nouvelles, une bonne et une mauvaise...

Je commence par la bonne nouvelle:

Avec le travail acharné de Arkshine sur la sécurité de notre serveur, je pense que nous sommes bien partis pour pouvoir conserver encore celui-ci quelques temps.


La mauvaise est que si rien n'est fait d'ici Juillet, le serveur s'arrêtera de lui même, faute de financement. Nous n'aurons pas un sauveur comme Eating Pizza à chaque fois.
Je vous invite donc d'ores et déjà à essayer de trouver des solutions rapidement (peut-être regarder du coté des plateformes de crowfunding).

Ce qui est certain, c'est que je ne m'en occuperais pas. Il est donc de votre ressort de faire en sorte que 17buddies continue ou pas... A vous de jouer

Si vous trouvez le financement, je continuerai à avoir un oeil bienveillant sur le site et à aider si je le peux de temps en temps. Sinon, c'est sans regrets que je le laisserai mourir.


Je vois déjà arriver les "Yaka Fokon"..S'il vous plait, évitez ça et si vous n'avez rien de concret et solide à proposer, passez votre chemin.

Je vous invite à créer un topic spécial financement afin de ne pas continuer sur celui-ci (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_jap.gif)


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Two news, one good and one bad ...

I'll start with the good one:

With the very hard work of Arkshine on our server security, I think we are on the right way to secure our server and so be able to still keep it for some time.


The bad news is that if nothing is done by July, the server will stop himself, for lack of funding. We will not have a savior like Eating Pizza every time. Great Thanks to him!!!

So I invite you to try to find solutions quickly (maybe look at crowfunding platforms).

What is certain is that I would not take care of it. It is therefore up to you to ensure that 17buddies continues or not ... It's your choice

If you find funding, I will continue to have a benevolent eye on the site and help if I can from time to time. Otherwise, I will let him die without any regret.


I can already see the "just do this; just do that". Please avoid this and if you have nothing concrete and solid to propose, go your way.

I invite you to create a special topic financing so do not continue on this one: jap:
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post 26/04/2017 - 18:27:26 |   Post #55
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 10/04/2017 - 17:24:42) *
Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...


QUOTE (LiveWire @ 10/04/2017 - 18:08:22) *
https://archive.org

I`ve seen 30 - 40 GB archives on archive.org, But 387 Gb is far to large I think you would need to split them by game and maybe even alphabetically.

If you want I can contact valve and see if they are interested, its a long shot but worth a try.


QUOTE (Lanm @ 11/04/2017 - 00:41:47) *
I know that it sounds strange but:
1) Torrent clients are diversifying seeding i.e. ideally torrent client would upload 387 GB of data and then downloaded data will be redistributed by seeders, each will be distributing own downloaded chunk. You are basically uploading it, there is no difference: you can even limit number of connections and bandwidth and then you stop if you uploaded 400GB for example and check if everybody got a copy few days later and if there are holes in availability you seed some time again.
2) There are lots of people with big HDDs. I personally have 1 empty 1TB drive.
3) There are better compression methods likeLZMA2, Bzip2 (both available in 7zip).

Given how much feedback you have seen from people wanting to help you will easily replicate archive multiple times on seedboxes.

I can download 387GB in 57 hours through 15Mbit/s connection.


Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.

Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option but the current submission size limit is 10 GiB, if I recall correctly. Not sure whether there is a size limit to how much one account can upload.

In my opinion, the best option would be to find someone to host this data. GAMEBANANA is a good option. There's also CS-BG, a site which pops-up in first results when you search for Counter-Strike maps - I'm sure they'll be interested.

Also an option is to disable uploading and make a simple read-only archive from which everyone can download. An example of such would be Quaddicted (yes, right now you can upload new maps there, but users are also encouraged to make local backups of this archive).

In the end, if none of this is possible, at least release a simple plain-text list of all maps so people could manually find them on the web. Better to know the names of the maps we lost than nothing at all.

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>Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.
>Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option

There is no specific magic in uploading 300GB of data to website which will fix "1 seed" problem. Pay specific attention to part (1) of my post.

Torrenting something is in almost no way worse than uploading to website.

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post 27/04/2017 - 17:28:02 |   Post #57
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Hey!

I get alerted with Quaddicted is mentioned on the web (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My french c'est non-existant et terrible and Google Translate really sucks so I could not understand most of this thread.

What I got:

You have ~1TB of game files that even compressed are still ~400GB? No problem (either way), I can provide you with an rsync endpoint to upload to and see to distribute it as torrent (seeded with 1GBit/s, zero issue with that size), ingest it into the Internet Archive or whatever you like. If it is CS and HL maps I would probably even just host them at Quaddicted in https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ or something.

With your permission I would also make an web archive of these forums so that they are complete in the Wayback Machine?

If you are worried about code etc, you could also dump a copy of everything with me if you like. I have dumps of sensitive data here and there and treat them responsible (giving out things from cold storage only by reasonable and proven request).

Allez le bleuz! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_kimouss.gif)

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QUOTE (Lanm @ 27/04/2017 - 02:00:38) *
>Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.
>Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option

There is no specific magic in uploading 300GB of data to website which will fix "1 seed" problem. Pay specific attention to part (1) of my post.

Torrenting something is in almost no way worse than uploading to website.


There are too many factors that affect connection speed to just simply say that there's no difference between protocols. I doubt uploading a one-and-a-half-hour-long video via BitTorrent being the only seed will be the same as uploading it to YouTube.

BitTorrent is a good solution only if you will get enough people. And, unfortunately, nowadays not many are interested in custom maps of various quality for games that came out more than ten years ago.

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Hey!

I get alerted with Quaddicted is mentioned on the web (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My french c'est non-existant et terrible and Google Translate really sucks so I could not understand most of this thread.

What I got:

You have ~1TB of game files that even compressed are still ~400GB? No problem (either way), I can provide you with an rsync endpoint to upload to and see to distribute it as torrent (seeded with 1GBit/s, zero issue with that size), ingest it into the Internet Archive or whatever you like. If it is CS and HL maps I would probably even just host them at Quaddicted in https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ or something.

With your permission I would also make an web archive of these forums so that they are complete in the Wayback Machine?

If you are worried about code etc, you could also dump a copy of everything with me if you like. I have dumps of sensitive data here and there and treat them responsible (giving out things from cold storage only by reasonable and proven request).

Allez le bleuz! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_kimouss.gif)


Well, looks like the solution is found.

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*bump* as I haven't got any message yet.

Don't let your wonderful archive die with the server please! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post 06/05/2017 - 21:48:35 |   Post #60
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I invite you to contact me by mail in july (I will send you my email address by MP) .

If we haven't found a solution for financing server perhaps will we think about your proposition.

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post 11/05/2017 - 01:18:39 |   Post #61
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How much do we need to fund every month?
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post 11/05/2017 - 16:14:36 |   Post #62
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I don't really know.

Eating Pizza has paid for one year (or more). Only him has the answer and can tell us.
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post 11/05/2017 - 23:23:51 |   Post #63
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Is it possible to learn from him?
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post 12/05/2017 - 09:23:58 |   Post #64
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It's written on the site index (donation widget): 83€ / month.

Server is likely: https://www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/hosting/173host2.xml, which is kind of overpowered for the needs.
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post 13/05/2017 - 00:43:56 |   Post #65
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80€ / month was a years. I believe required donation amount is outdated.
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post 13/05/2017 - 08:23:56 |   Post #66
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No, it's correct. The machine specs from the server console are:

- Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-1620 @ 3.60GHz
- 64 Go RAM
- 2 To HD

It matches the link above. 69 € HT = 83.99 €.

You are not going to pay 7€/month for this kind of specs. That doesn't exist.
Dedicated server on OVH starts from 72€ / month.

I don't know why Pizza took such big dedicated server, even though the site is hit hard by the bots, it's still fairly overpowered.

I guess the disk usage requirement > 500 Go is problematic. Having a VPS SSD 3 like this one https://www.ovh.com/fr/vps/vps-ssd.xml would likely enough but 40 Go is not enough, and one 500 Go additional disk costs +36 €/month. Looks like storage is very costly everywhere, but you would be already at 50.39 €/month (and you would still need more spaces). At the end, you are not far away from a dedicated server which offers 2 To with better specs. At best, we would need to pay 72€/m. And looking at others hosts, OVH is cheaper with better specs...

Current usage:
- CPU : usually < 20% (there is no statistic, but the load average is always quite low)
- Mem: usually around 5% (~4 Go)
- Disk: 28% (516.34 GB)
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post 13/05/2017 - 19:09:54 |   Post #67
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Don't know if amount is correct, but I think that it must not be so far. 80€ seems to be a good price.
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 10/04/2017 - 18:24:42) *
Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...


Hello , my name is Razvan Dinica from Iasi,Romania.
I`m an old user of this site cause is the best map finder.
I`m the founder of an community (i dont want advertising , you can ask in private details.) and i always use maps for my servers from 17buddies from years.
I can host your site for free. Indeed 387 GB i cannot put on your service.
I can host the site for free as long as the domain is valid if you find a FTP.

And i have premium on mediafire.com. 1 TB of space.
I can mirror a folder in my account.
Please consider this offer cause every time when i wanted a map , you were there to serve me and my community.

Edit : archieve is 387 GB. How much space is unpacked? I`m reseller and i can obtain also a good price for extra space needed.

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I can afford 5-7€ per month to keep the site alive. It takes major part not only in maps itself but for GoldSrc games too, it must not die!
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Maybe it's time to create a new topic and post-it it in the warning news in top of the site.

Thank you for your hard work Arkshine ! (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Unfortunately a site dies when there is no activity on it. And then donating fails too (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/ac.gif)
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post 06/06/2017 - 01:20:11 |   Post #72
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This site will not die , trust me.
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post 19/06/2017 - 09:08:28 |   Post #73
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It'll be a great loss to the already anemic HL community if this site goes down. We've lost a number of sites and communities over the past 7 years which took with them huge amounts of content lost to the sands of time.

If the site is unable to continue, I have several terabytes of space and can absorb the content catalog to avoid it being lost forever. Quaddicted would be the best choice if you'd want the content to remain online, I would only be able to archive it in cold storage and only have small portions of it available since I don't have huge pipes to move tons of data to the internet at large.
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post 20/06/2017 - 12:34:38 |   Post #74
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I`ve talked with Chapo and Arkshine , the site will not die.
I will host it and the 17buddies will remain alive.
Just wait.
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post 20/06/2017 - 22:08:39 |   Post #75
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I confirm.

Dyablows seems to be honest and wants to keep the 17buddies community alive.

We trust him and we will help him in this transfer.

17buddies will not die (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ami.gif)
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post 21/06/2017 - 21:35:09 |   Post #76
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 20/06/2017 - 23:08:39) *
I confirm.

Dyablows seems to be honest and wants to keep the 17buddies community alive.

We trust him and we will help him in this transfer.

17buddies will not die (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ami.gif)



Great news, It would of been a shame if 17Buddies disappeared. Especially since it has the largest Goldsource map collection.
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QUOTE (S3B @ 14/03/2017 - 18:16:18) *
Pour une fois, je vais même prendre la peine de traduire mon post (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)

Que dire...

17B était ma maison, j'ai fait mon apparition vers 2007, il y a 10 ans, que de chemin parcouru !
Une aventure de jeu, de vie, à travers les gens croisés ici.

Tout n'était pas rose, mais on a fait de notre mieux, dans la bonne humeur.


Merci à Chapo, Eatingpizza, Benneb et les anciens de 17B avec qui ont aider à faire vivre (survivre) 17 Buddies.

Que faire, quand 17B est constamment attaqué ? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/siffle.gif)

Que faire, quand le quotidien change, tragiquement ? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_decu.gif)


Bref,

Le roi 17B est mort, vive le roi 17B !

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pour moi c'est idem je suis a 100% avec seb mais je dit pas merci a benneb il ma foutu le boulot de deux année a la poubel
a ne pas placer les maps que j'avais réparer dommage (donc que l'on se le dise il y a beaucoup de maps en cs qui vont pas)

mais pour chapo chapeau, chapeau très bas pour le boulot et je comprend très bien après
ta déception , y en a marre en plus comme si cela ne suffit pas il faut haccker ,

si c'est pour la bonne cause il n'avais que demander on lui aurais livrer sur un plateau
peut être bien que le site va réapparaitre sous un autre non ,faut un peut rêver

je suis pas riche pensionné donc pas asser de tune pour faire un server ,et j'en pleurs de voir toutes ces maps réduit au néant
la communauté 17B se termine ici encore dommage

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Les données ne sont pas perdues. La communauté 17B en soi (site, forum, etc.) est par contre sur le point de définitivement mourrir oui. Mais bon, rien de très surprenant, ceux qui géraient le site sont partis ailleurs, la plupart se sont désinstéressés parce que plus personne ne participait et au final un site sans communauté, c'est plus de dons, plus de serveur. Et c'est pas l'afflux des anglophones qui a changé grand chose.
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 22/04/2017 - 13:21:07) *
Deux nouvelles, une bonne et une mauvaise...

Je commence par la bonne nouvelle:

Avec le travail acharné de Arkshine sur la sécurité de notre serveur, je pense que nous sommes bien partis pour pouvoir conserver encore celui-ci quelques temps.


La mauvaise est que si rien n'est fait d'ici Juillet, le serveur s'arrêtera de lui même, faute de financement. Nous n'aurons pas un sauveur comme Eating Pizza à chaque fois.
Je vous invite donc d'ores et déjà à essayer de trouver des solutions rapidement (peut-être regarder du coté des plateformes de crowfunding).

Ce qui est certain, c'est que je ne m'en occuperais pas. Il est donc de votre ressort de faire en sorte que 17buddies continue ou pas... A vous de jouer

Si vous trouvez le financement, je continuerai à avoir un oeil bienveillant sur le site et à aider si je le peux de temps en temps. Sinon, c'est sans regrets que je le laisserai mourir.


Je vois déjà arriver les "Yaka Fokon"..S'il vous plait, évitez ça et si vous n'avez rien de concret et solide à proposer, passez votre chemin.

Je vous invite à créer un topic spécial financement afin de ne pas continuer sur celui-ci (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_jap.gif)


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Two news, one good and one bad ...

I'll start with the good one:

With the very hard work of Arkshine on our server security, I think we are on the right way to secure our server and so be able to still keep it for some time.


The bad news is that if nothing is done by July, the server will stop himself, for lack of funding. We will not have a savior like Eating Pizza every time. Great Thanks to him!!!

So I invite you to try to find solutions quickly (maybe look at crowfunding platforms).

What is certain is that I would not take care of it. It is therefore up to you to ensure that 17buddies continues or not ... It's your choice

If you find funding, I will continue to have a benevolent eye on the site and help if I can from time to time. Otherwise, I will let him die without any regret.


I can already see the "just do this; just do that". Please avoid this and if you have nothing concrete and solid to propose, go your way.

I invite you to create a special topic financing so do not continue on this one: jap:


salut chapo ne compte pas trop sur les anglais pour financer ,quand je pense que plus moyen de voir des postes en fr
tout en anglais et moi désoler je comprend rien
,tu leur a fait la part belle mais il sont pas la ,désoler moi non plus je n'ai pas financer ,mais c'est un peut cause a benneb

qui ma foutu plus de 25000 maps a la poubelle sous prétexte que la maps que j'avais réparer n'avais plus le même KiLo
mais il en a profiter pour se servir avec les models que j'avais placer ,ainsi que les texture ajoutée

beaucoup de maps ne vont pas he oui les joueurs sont trop trop près du sol ,
et bien sur d'autre par ce que l' auteur na pas ajouter les models et textures ,les maps qui vont pas sont surtout en cs

bon si cela peut prolonger ,je peut faire un don de 50 euro ,mais il faudrais que cela ne soit pas pour rien
mais me placer en server pas possible avec le provider que j'ai il ne me donne pas accès a ça ,pour la taille j'ai no problèmo

encore un chose je suis beaucoup plus vieux 73 ans donc plus asser mémoire pour gérer un server j'oublie vite
donc tu vois il ne met pas possible de m'occuper de ça ,et je le regrette

alors voila bonne chance a 17B et comme dit seb le roi est mort vive le roi @++
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QUOTE (Arkshine @ 15/08/2017 - 10:44:06) *
Les données ne sont pas perdues. La communauté 17B en soi (site, forum, etc.) est par contre sur le point de définitivement mourrir oui. Mais bon, rien de très surprenant, ceux qui géraient le site sont partis ailleurs, la plupart se sont désinstéressés parce que plus personne ne participait et au final un site sans communauté, c'est plus de dons, plus de serveur. Et c'est pas l'afflux des anglophones qui a changé grand chose.

I am hoping there is a site like torrent where I can download all the maps and wad files at once. So I can set up a site where the public has access to them. Any help would be greatly appreciate so that I may preserve those files for everyone to use. We have a few map makers in our community and the wad files are important to there map making. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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- Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-1620 @ 3.60GHz
- 64 Go RAM
- 2 To HD
I don't know how popular this site is, but is it really needs 64GB of RAM and Xeon? May be the best way to save this site is purchase VPS with 16GB of RAM & 1TB HDD? It's strange that old project like this hasn't own cheap physical server, you definitly don't need powerful Xeon for storing files. In nowadays even personal computers have 3Tb+ HDD, even my four year old pc (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Secondly, is this site use background Zip compression of non-popular files to save the space?

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post 20/08/2017 - 14:14:01 |   Post #82
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Yeah, it's overpowered, EatingPizza is not here to explain, but if I had to guess, it's because with OVH you can have only one additional disk per VPS (max 500 Go). If you want more, you have no choice to get a dedicated server which starts with 2 To.

Anyway, we might have found someone who can freely host the website.
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post 20/08/2017 - 15:39:03 |   Post #83
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QUOTE (Arkshine @ 20/08/2017 - 15:14:01) *
Yeah, it's overpowered, EatingPizza is not here to explain, but if I had to guess, it's because with OVH you can have only one additional disk per VPS (max 500 Go). If you want more, you have no choice to get a dedicated server which starts with 2 To.

Anyway, we might have found someone who can freely host the website.


Maybe you should use cloud services like Amazon S3 for storing content files, it's not so expensive and lets you use cheapest VPS.
For ex. Amazon prices (https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/?nc1=h_ls) are:
$0.026 for storring 1GB/month
$0.0044 for 10k requests
$0.090 for 1GB traffic from cloud, first 1GB/month is free
So, if we imagine that you currently need 500gb space, 1M requests for downloading and 50Gb content traffic- it will costs 13$ + 0.44$ + 4.5$ ~ 18$/month.
Then just purchase cheapest VPS. Another good point is you will pay only for used capacity, not for all HDD.
I have a look at your OVH hosting provider site and it have some cloud solutions, at least for storing files. I guess this project is still making some litle money from ads, so maybe this solution is not so bad? (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post 20/08/2017 - 19:49:35 |   Post #84
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It will be very complicated to use the cloud to store the maps as the code has not been developed for that possibility.

All paths are "hard drive" coded and unrar/unzip/zip/check/ utilities won't work on the cloud.

This solution will certainly be possible, but only for backup purpose.

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post 20/08/2017 - 19:54:26 |   Post #85
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Yea, this seems to be an idea to considerate, but this doesn't change the fact that the community is, unfortunately, kind of dead and no one donates.
At this point, we have no choice to rely on someone else to freely host the website and hoping that someone will take over 17B to revive the community and manage it.
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post 21/08/2017 - 13:43:27 |   Post #86
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 20/08/2017 - 21:49:35) *
It will be very complicated to use the cloud to store the maps as the code has not been developed for that possibility.

All paths are "hard drive" coded and unrar/unzip/zip/check/ utilities won't work on the cloud.

This solution will certainly be possible, but only for backup purpose.

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As far as I understood, you have not bad guest user traffic, so can you convert it to some money by Ads?
Maybe the community is currently dead, but the main goal is to save this site as working software. So you need to optimize spending money or/and preserve your code and DB at public github or bitbucket, zip and upload content to torrent and/or free/cheap cloud.
I think it is still possible to find new young owners, who are passionate about HL games, even if he will decide to change the whole project and domain name, that will be better case, than death. There are a lot of such sites about CS/HL, so it seems the theme is still actual.

Why it shouldn't work? Storring in the cloud is just simple put|get|delete request and php works with them same way. The best way is making local 1-5 Gb cache and have a copy of popular files at local hdd to minimize requests to the cloud, so you will pay a few cents less (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Here is official Amazon S3 wrapper library for php http://docs.aws.amazon.com/aws-sdk-php/v3/...am-wrapper.html
In any case you should search new owners outside of 17b community too increase the odds.

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post 21/08/2017 - 16:13:50 |   Post #87
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Everybody use adblock on websites, including 17b althought we don't use intrusive ads (popup, popunder, ..).

Ads represent only 293 € since January 2015, even not 10 € /month... I won't buy a new car with that (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)
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post 21/08/2017 - 17:27:34 |   Post #88
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Hello,

Pour l'instant, il y à des propositions concrètes ?

La personne qui apportera son aide financière pourra proposer de déménager le site vers une autre machine ?

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QUOTE (Chapo @ 21/08/2017 - 18:13:50) *
Everybody use adblock on websites, including 17b althought we don't use intrusive ads (popup, popunder, ..).

Ads represent only 293 € since January 2015, even not 10 € /month... I won't buy a new car with that (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)


Heh, I thought out neighbors in rich western EU definitly should make at least 25-50$/month on this site, but... (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Hmm, you can asking users for adding to adblock exceptions, but this is unlikely... (By the way uBlock is much better (IMG:http://forum.17buddies.rocks/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )
What about selling ads place in own banners system and direct sale of them? Under certain conditions AdBlock cann't block such ads, without blocking useful content. ... links/ads for thematic sites, promotion cs/hl servers, top list of the donators at the main page and so on...
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https://www.google.com/intl/en/drive/ is one way and it how you backup the files your able to zip up to 1 gig files for download .setup 3 or 4 different accounts break it down in to different section like maps for the games like cs css dod dods ect... each account your allowed 15 gig each and its free or like livewire said try valve it would be in there best interest due to them selling the games and contact Gameservers or Nuclear fallout due too them host servers for the games or rent one of there vps servers and upload all the file and they will take care of the security.there is alot of decent people out there that still play the games that are willing to help but at the same time be careful 17buddies is a well established site and a great way to make money so there is alot of people will take advantage of your problem.if you need and help on storage let me know you can message me or contact me at http://tdc-gaming.site.nfoservers.com/
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