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Posted by: Fracture55 03/10/2011 - 22:48:07

I'm looking to see if anyone is able to alter a pre-existing map. I found a nice map that I'd like to use on my server. the title of the map is "course_ctr". It's a very cool car map. But, there's just one problem: when the round is over, you keep your guns if you win. So, obviously, that means the enemy is just go to get slaughtered in spawn before they have a chance to jump in a car. Does anyone know how to fix something like that?

Posted by: Chapo 03/10/2011 - 22:58:55

Altering a map without author permission is not cool.

You should ask author before modifying he's map (msn address provided in map's details)

Posted by: Gogs-TFC-Legend 07/10/2011 - 03:10:25

Yeah, doing that sort of thing is pretty gay...

http://www.17buddies.net/17b2/View/Map/52928/fb_ultimateclimb.html
http://www.gamebanana.com/maps/159098

(18:54:56) (@Scrambles-the-Death-Dealer) anyone know a "Chapo" or someone that guys by Chapo in CS?
(18:55:06) (+GodiaN) ya hes a hacker

Posted by: Chapo 07/10/2011 - 04:31:22

I never modify maps in anyway. Don't even know how to do...

Just sometimes fix wads in order to make maps running on servers.

Do you have a problem with me?

Posted by: Gogs-TFC-Legend 08/10/2011 - 02:22:23

In case you didn't see, FB_ULTIMECLIMB is not the name of the map. You changed the map name and left no credit to the author. That's modifying the map in any way.

Posted by: Chapo 08/10/2011 - 07:44:08

We NEVER rename maps, and i think we have no interest to do so (*).

We crawl games servers in search of maps that we don't have. When we find one, we upload it on our website with all the associated files that we can find (readme files, waypoints ..).

It is true that we do not always check the names of the maps. If the team or the server admin has renamed a map, we can not guess.

In addition, we have so many maps on our website that we can not remember a map is identical to one another. When we find one, 17b team or friendly members indicate in a comment.

You can not accuse us of hacking maps.

We are the only website that automatically extracts and displays readme files of archives or packed infos of bsp file to give full author credits. And each time we can add additional information of author (website, video, etc..) we do it.

So please, we are certainly not perfects, but we are not maps hackers and surely not mappers ennemies...





*: It's not really true: Because 17buddies doesn't accept maps with same name, I have renamed some maps one or two time when two really good maps were uploaded on our website and when i wanted to keep both versions because both were really good maps and each had it's place on 17buddies. I renamed the maps with _v1 and _v2 tag and indicated in comments the real name of the map. Perhaps should I not do that but I don't think it's an insult for the mapper and it's map.

Posted by: Chapo 09/10/2011 - 08:33:45

Can someone tell me if those maps are the same or not:

When I look at screens we have, i don't think they are the same, but I don't have TFC installed and I don't want to pay 4.99 just for this test..

Please provide screens in order to prove your answer...

Posted by: Chapo 09/10/2011 - 17:08:22

So, with the help of Milburn wich send me screenshots, we can compare maps and:

The-climb and fb_ultimateclimb are the same maps.

The-Climb3 is not the same.

With datas in our possession:

The-Climb3 is a map from Nyronic (txt file included in archive)
The-Climb is from Joe^vi[.r!] (txt file included in archive)
fb_ultimateclimb is a copy of the map of Joe^vi[.r!]

And now? What are we doing? I would like to read what you have to say...Seems that you were wrong, because you claimed fb_ultimateclimb as yours but it's not true.

In addition, it would seem that you created a pale copy of the-climb. Who are the stealers and hackers?

Come on guys...Come and explain what's your problem...

Posted by: Chapo 10/10/2011 - 14:34:58

I think so too, but I would have liked them to come, not to apologize, but at least say they are sorry for their mistake.

But perhaps this is to hard for them

In fact, it doesn't really matter and it will not prevent me to sleep

Posted by: nyro 01/11/2011 - 04:27:31

Sorry for mistaking my own map as my own.

Joe^vi was an old alias, yes the-climb3 is NOT the same, hence the "3". It is a sequel, to the-climb and the-climb2. I'm not sure why you deemed that as a rip off/remake.

Why would I waste my time making claim for some ancient map from 9 years ago if it wasn't mine? The map was converted to CS without permission, that part I don't care about. What I care about is that it was renamed.

I don't have the original anymore, which is why it was modified before it was created.


http://www.editingarchive.com/tfc/MapList.php?Sort=Name&UpD=ASC&checked%5B%5D=Pics&checked%5B%5D=Rstk&WasSet=1&Fltr=1&RPP=20&Type=All&DComp=-1&PComp=-1&SV=300

Scroll down to nyroball... should be the 2nd map in the list, notice the author? "NyRoNiC^vi (Joe^vi)"

A simple google search will give you similar results:

http://www.google.com/search?q=the-climb+joe%5Evi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=FZl&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&q=joe%5Evi+nyronic&pbx=1&oq=joe%5Evi+nyronic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1965l2170l8l2330l3l2l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=8562193df683b6ce&biw=1024&bih=666

Posted by: Gogs-TFC-Legend 01/11/2011 - 06:39:20

well i think this shut them up

Posted by: Chapo 01/11/2011 - 10:08:06

You know what: I think I'll delete your map of the database so the problem will be definitively solved. I've already spend too much time on it.





Edit:

Map deleted from our database. Fed up with this map.